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glorymachine
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creighton
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glorymachine

Woman and car. How the two compliment. Going for classical and romantic approach.

16 years ago, February 25, 2003
RevDrLuv

Looks like Glory’s picking up the dirty retro. Watch out bedingfield & Inman…

travisanalogue

glorymachine: Is that a picture of a young Elizabeth Taylor? In any event, this has all the elements of a great conversation. I’m really interested to see the conspirator’s response to this.

glorymachine

Yeah that is Elizabeth Taylor in her prime. I am really excited about this DSLNG! Yeah, saw the dirty retro thing and kinda thought I would try it. Check out my one-off for labor?

travisanalogue

If I had the time, I’d do a few more one-off’s, but at the moment the most I can do is post a message here and there. Another fine image if I do say so myself. I have to ask you a question about that “scratch layer”. Is it a pattern, and did you make it? You email me if you’d like instead of clogging up your comments section.

creighton

Hmm….well now…quite quite elegant. We’ll see just what I come up with in response to this. Beautiful image.

glorymachine

Just a plain old dirty brush in Photoshop I found on the internet because I am too lazy to make my own. Nah, I don’t mind clogging up the comments if Inman doesn’t….. Yeah, I thought it was a beautiful image. I really like the colors too. Thanks for the comment creighton. Cannot wait to see your image.

bharper

i dont know which one i want more, the girl or the car!

RevDrLuv

The car or the girl? Which object must a boy choose???

Comparing a woman to a car… you are playing off the chauvenism of this concept aren’t you?

I’d like to see what you do with this idea Mike.

fashionvictim

glorymachine:

And how do the two complement each other, I am wondering? The car is a man made object that a person owns or hires for transportation. A woman is a human being.

inman

Comment away, that’s what it’s here for. Process or concept…and for FashionVictim’s pointed questions :D

glorymachine

A woman and a car compliment each other because of the aesthetics of the car and woman according to a man. The issue is not whether a man should choose to own the woman or the car, but admire that both are beautiful respectfully. That is what I wanted to accomplish with this romantic style approach. The key word here is, “classy”.

sanguine

this first image is classy and beautiful. its a very good start and an interesting concept. keep it up.

crystal

fashionvictim

glorymachine: Unfortunately, I feel it is impossible to approach a subject and discuss women and cars as complementary to one another without being sexist. You can say your implications have nothing to do with this, that you are merely admiring their beauty “according to a man.” But placing one with the other and examining them comparitively, on an aesthetic level, from a purely male perspective, is chauvinist plain and simple. This is neither classy nor romantic.To me by comparing these two things you are saying that a woman’s beauty holds a similar quantitative value as a car’s beauty. Whether you feel this way or not, the implication is always going to be there.

And in resoponse to sanguine: I am curious as how you define concept? I personally, don’t base concept on aesthetics, I consider it to be the underlying message, the intellectual thought behind a design. I don’t agree that this concept, as it is, is particularly interesting. In fact, I think it is commonplace. If I want to see the beauty of a woman romanticized by comparing her to an object that is also perceived as beautiful, all I have to do is turn the television on and flip to a commercial or turn the pages of a magazine. Many a person has compared the physical beauty of a woman to an object, this is not a first.

sanguine

fashionvictim: i dont base concept on aesthetics either. just because you dont see this as an “intellectual thought” doesnt mean none of the rest of us do. it seems you are overly offended by this for some reason. you keep saying how you dont think its interesting, but other people think otherwise. thats all there is to it.

my take on the concept: (the short version) i think it IS a good concept because of he age old saying of “a man and his car”. by adding the woman to this you take the two things that “drive” a mans love and devotion (in many cases) in our culture. therfore, i DO think that you have done something intelligent and creative here. keep up the good work.

RevDrLuv

Upon first seeing this image I would have agreed with you sanguine that this is an intelligent concept.

I thought this was a take on sexism and objectification. However after reading responses I do not think that is what was intended.

“A woman and a car compliment each other because of the aesthetics of the car and woman according to a man.”

Ok great, I can’t argue that this was his take, but how can you discuss this without admitting that that it is chauvenism and objectification? Even the word choice of “classy” drives my point home. Saying that a woman is elegant and stylish just like a car is to observe her as an object.

There are many other things implied here as well (intended or not). This car is a trophy object, something our society views as a status symbol. By comparing this woman to the car you are also putting these attributes on her.

I am not against this dsnlg. In fact I think it could be great, but if these issues are ignored it becomes those things I spoke of, rather than an intelligent conversation analyzing them.

glorymachine

COMPLIMENT: 1 a : an expression of esteem, respect, affection, or admiration; especially : an admiring remark b : formal and respectful recognition

We as men respect both the car and the woman. The car as an engineering masterpiece of metal and paint built by intelligent men and women and the woman a wonderful beautiful creature to be admired and respected for her overall character. Her looks are just as much of her character as her wit, her voice, and her overall attitude in life just as a man respects a car for its features. That is what I wanted to say with this image or series of images.

I can see the sexist way this is perceived and maybe it is true. I mean, I am a man and I can only look at things in a man’s point of view. Not unless I am both a man and a woman, would I be able to truly give a real answer to this. Man likes cars and women, but how can he look at them both and say that he does not enjoy looking at the car in the same way that he enjoys looking at a beautiful woman? It is not whether he wants to own them, but how he enjoys them aesthetically. That is the struggle that I am portraying.

RevDrLuv

Complement: 1 a : something that fills up, completes , or makes perfect.

I thought you had made a spelling error. I do think you meant complement though, since it would be strange for you to say that the car and women are exchanging admiring remarks.

Objectification is not gender specific, you do not have to be a woman to “get it”. As compl-I-mentary as you mean it to be, it is still the same.

If all of this is the struggle you meant to portray in your image, my apologies. I just didn’t get that from your posts.

glorymachine

EMBARRASS: c : to cause to experience a state of self-conscious distress

Yeah, I did mean complement at first, I am a freaking retard! I am really embarrassed that I did not spell it correctly. But, looking into the definition of c-o-m-p-l-i-m-e-n-t I decided that it made more sense in what I was trying to get these images to say. I wanted these images to represent respect, honor, admiration. And then, I recognized that on this DSLNG that these images were a formal recognition of the beauty of both images. So I am sticking to “compliment”.

Yeah, I am sorry that I did not make it a little clearer, and I am sorry for not having the best spelling skills, but hey, that is the fun with DSLNG’s right? And in the process I have learned the correct spelling of a word or words and created a beautiful image.

Thanks for all the comments everyone. It makes me respect you guys even more and it makes me respect my image even more as well. I think that this just got deeper more than I thought it would.

I just want you to know that my intention was the same with my image, but I just did not think about putting it in words with great detail. I think next time I will definately make it a point to make sure that I have a really good detailed explanation for my images. How’s that?

glorymachine

MISTAKE: 1 : to blunder in the choice of

creighton

Suddenly this DSNLG has become a semi-heated debate of sorts. Okay: woman & car.

For me, instead of objectifying the situation, I wanted to identify the relationship between woman and car — a woman and her car. Jackie ‘O. She drove an E3 — 1974 BMW 3.0s. It was her only and favorite drive.

I don’t really like the idea of comparing a car to a woman — yes, due to the theme of this DSNLG, it would be hard not to juxtapose the two subjects, thus implying a comparison — however, in this discussion, I suppose I’ll be taking a different ‘side’ to the theme.

A car is not human. It is a machine. It is a means of getting from point A to point B. It may even have a beautiful design to it. However, can a car look you in the eye, as Mrs. Onassis does here? Can a car smile at you? Can a car drive you mad with words or lift your spirits to accomplish impossible feats?

Hmm…what comes next?

16 years ago, February 26, 2003
glorymachine

Man, better than I expected, that is awesome! Great image. I especially like that you found out what car Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis drove! I like what you wrote in your comment as well. This DSLNG is really challenging and fun, both visually and verbally.

fashionvictim

I am glad this dsnlg is evolving and I am glad we all have been able to discuss this and think it through. Mike, this is a really nice image and a nice twist on the original concept. Right now I think this may be the most interesting conversation going on because it is making all of us think, or at least it seems to be (damn just look at the length of these comments).

Glorymachine, I am curious to see what you will respond with…

glorymachine

I played on the comments on this one more than anything.

16 years ago, February 26, 2003
fashionvictim

well done glorymachine. you have a really nice sense of color in these images.

inman

After all that…you might want to explain that image before everyone thinks you’re attacking them :D

I can’t believe I missed out on this discussion. I bet you two had no idea what you were getting yourselves into, hahahaha

glorymachine

Thanks for the “compliment” fashionvictim…lol It looked better on my MAC at work. I have a PC at home and I am discouraged with the way it looks.

Yeah, the lady is saying, “jerk” to all men. HAHA!

That was a good idea Inman. Yeah, sorry you missed out on this DSNLG converstaion, but hey, it is only halfway going….

stormshadow

i dont care whether any of you knew or tried to figure out the intended meaning of this topic, man or woman, youre all human first. all of us at some point in our lives have looked at a car and said “thats a good looking car” whether you knew how much HP it had or how it handled in the snow (ode to detroit). you have all looked at members of the opposite or same sex from 30 feet away and said “that person is good looking” without knowing if they were at harvard medical school or a beauty school drop out.

also to the ones who tried to justify mans thought process when looking at woman is sadly naive. you cant speak on behalf of all men because there are plenty of men who could care less about womens personalities and just want to look and lust after. just watch COPS sometime. im just saying come up with a better argument, for your own sake.

bharper

whats with the spooge on the nice lady in the hats chest?

Aarseth

Wait, I think I’m missing something.. Is it sexist to objectify women? ;D

coldfire

for my first impression, I woud like to say that I like chicks. I also like cars. Chicks and cars is good. This series is much classier in my opinion then the soft core porn you see today. Instead seeing a “tricked out” honda civic (grocery getter) with some hot asian babe splayed all over the hood.

I like the concept of this series, it ‘s making people heated. Driving their passions (pun intended.)

Might be interesting to see one of you take one of those imports with some car modle and use it. or maybe use these “old broads” with new cars or “new girls” with these old cars.

as far as design goes….well i leave that to the rest of you to discuss. grunts loudly to show his affection for chicks cars

RevDrLuv

Main Entry: 1grace Pronunciation: ‘grAs Function: noun 8 b : the quality or state of being considerate or thoughtful

You have shown much of this and I have greater respect for you now than i did even before this whole discussion Glory. Dsnlg on.

RevDrLuv

Sorry, couldn’t resist adding another definition.

glorymachine

Thank you Rev.Dr.Luv.

On another note, there will be no more dirty brushes on this DSLNG! According to this and this. All I have to say is wow. I am rude I know, but I guess I will have to make my own brushes and not get them off the internet ever again. Plus, I saw that you guys were doing some retro stuff on here which is usually not my bag, but I wanted to try it out. Now I am going back to my thing, so look out for my next image. Goodbye dirty brushes or at least ones that look like everyone else is using on this site with no mercy.

randy

Hey, I explained my use of the dirty brush on this image under the comments. However, I have no excuse for the other times I’ve used it (damn!)…

creighton

This image took a while. I was going back and forth through quite a few ideas until I became overwhelmed by them all (along with getting sick of this retro dirtied style). After seeing glory’s comment, I decided to go in a different direction.

Woman and car. That’s all there is here.

16 years ago, March 10, 2003
glorymachine

Image looks great. To randy and creighton, sorry about the brush thing. I was just mad at myself mostly for being so lazy and using all those brushes right off the internet.

Lincoln

Mike..this 4th one rocks. very simple…we should get back to something like this in no. 020: CleanStart

glorymachine

Thought I would go back to the BMW. I like those cars alot. Curious how they looked like back then.

16 years ago, March 10, 2003
fashionvictim

back to the same old same old, huh? i am really disappointed this cnvs. did not keep moving in the direction it seemed tp be going. it seems like it is back to square one, beautiful woman beautiful car. it’s too bad.

oh, and correct me if i’m wrong.

bedingfield

I dig this latest image…just for the beauty alone.

creighton

Okay…so, decided to look for more relationships between woman and car. Liked that BMW from glory’s last image, stumbled across the early Jaguar XK120. Then I thought…hmm…a Jag’s a cat, right? Well…so is Catwoman. Why not use the one and only original Catwoman, Julie Newmar? She’s quite the classy, beautiful lady.

And hence, we arrive at my image. [cat-] woman & car. BTW, that’s the XK120’s engine in the background there if you’re wondering.

16 years ago, March 11, 2003
inman

Okay, I’m finally starting to see woman & car. The swell of the Jag’s hood owes a lot to the curves of the female form. And isn’t that what driving and women are all about — the curves?

Oh, am I ever going to get a lashing for that one… :D

Those engine illustrations are gorgeous Mike, nice find.

Lincoln

nice one…I like the dark treatment…new spin on the ol’ dirty retro…heavy on the dirty

bearskinrug

I’m enjoying the consistency of these. With the exception of 4 (not ragging on 4, though), you’ve got a theme with your elements, also - big woman, smaller car. You’ve narrowed the direction of this designologue (which is a good thing, sometimes!), and I think that has giving you a guys a great forum to show off your skills.

Good train of thought on your last image, creighton…

fashionvictim

i’m going to assume you are joking inman.

coldfire

I have to agree with inman. There is a corvette here deep in the bowels of the matte room, it’s a top down shot of the front of the ZO6 corvette and it looks like the belly of a beautiful hot girl.

but that is how I view it

inman

If anything is more than the sum of it’s parts (intellectual, physical, emotional) it’s women.

I was just fueling the fire FV :D

glorymachine

Creighton,

Sorry for the delay in creative response, I just want to have a really good image to give you at the end. I have completed several images, but they do not have the power that I want. I will have something for you shortly.

glorymachine

Well, here is my last image. I have been working alot with Illustr8tor lately and I really wanted to step away from the scratch brushes. I also wanted to so something a little sexy just to push the border line of this DSLNG. I know people will be angry, but hey, can’t make everyone happy. I really like the image myself and tried to keep it pretty simple. I have to be honest and say that I found the image of a pin-up model painting and then created the rest in Illustr8tor. Everything you see however is vector. Fun I must say. You will probably see more of this type of work from me later on. I really enjoy it. I just felt like google images is getting too many hits from DSLNGers….lol Plus, I want to be an Illustr8tor nerd to the max.

I will add more later. I am at work….. :(

Enjoy!

16 years ago, May 2, 2003
notec

This is good vector work indeed. The use of curves [since its vector] really goes well with the woman theme. Since it’s simplistic and clean colored is gives the entire theme thus far a new twist. Nice work man.

2one2

damn… i h8 to say it but… she gives me an illustr8tor boner!

glorymachine
  • thanks yo

Illustr8tor is rad! I think it is my bag baby.

I put the ill in Illustr8tor.

I printed this off on 60ml Styrene with the solvent based UV direct to substrate printer at 38”x65” at work! It looks nice! Don’t think the wife unit is going to let me keep it though. Any buyers?

I will try to post some pictures of me with it soon to add some life to the illustr8tion…

bearskinrug

Can I get a picture of myself with the illustration?

glorymachine

You want me to Photoshoppe you in and print it for ya bearskinrug?

bharper

im not sure you put the ILL in illustrator, so much as you have given ME the LUST in ilLUSTrator.. damn its windy out there…

Diamantis

no. 181: woman & car this is my favorite image in this dsnlg so far. It is classy, but at the same time it is taking a darker turn I especially like the the mech drawing on cat woman’s shoulder. It kinda looks like a tattoo (adds to the darkiness) The engine graphics, the layout, and the cat woman together give this piece a comicbook style that I just can’t say no to. I’m not sure if that is where Creigton was going with this piece, but I love it!

Diamantis

no. 181: woman & car your composition looks a bit left heavy. I’ll give you props for the lady illustration though, she looks really good. I do wish that you did something more with the backround though. Not much! just something on the right side to ballance it out a little! I like the fact that you decided to go vector, cause it relates to image 4, but it almost looks too crisp. I’d like it to be a little more faded or gridy or something.

glorymachine

Diamantis - Thanks for the insight on the images. Nice to have some feedback. I knew that I was taking a chance with the left heavy composition, however, I tried to use the suggestive design of the clouds to help carry the movement from left to right. I even do this when I take pictures. I just get tired of images that are centered or too balanced. I am looking foward to maybe doing another vector illustration with someone. I really dig the line art.

inman

Line!

creighton

Getting this one out of the way as I procrastinate on the work I actually get paid for. Had trouble moving from glory’s last image, as he took it in a completely different direction visually.

I wanted to continue with the “classic” look…but didn’t want to jump to vector…yet still needed to incorporate the relationship between the woman and the car…so I played off glory’s parking job. Believe it or not, I did actually use elements from the last image…though not very literally.

15 years ago, January 3, 2004
inman

I really do see the elements from the previous image. I think it’s the pixel-stretch overlay that successfully alludes to the horizontikality (had to get a “k” in there) of glory’s last offering making it kind of like a politically correct, 1930’s take on the same idea.

But why now Mike? Why not wait another month or so and call it a year? Haha, seems to be the trend around here. ;D

tacosaurus

the dead have risen…

bharper

i love the color.. and the depth.. and the stretched flat areas really bring in the vector work from the last… great job.

thanos

All I can say is….LOVIN IT!