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RevDrLuv

How long has it been since I last posted something here??? Too long me thinks.

16 years ago, September 29, 2003
fashionvictim

This is HOT Rev, I’m working on my response right now. I think this is a great start. Gives me lots to work with.

jeromius

I really like this image - very clean, nice colors. Definitely a contender!

bharper

contender, i hardly…

fashionvictim

wha? bharper?

jeromius

b must be whacked out on prescription meds to think that this isn’t a contender. I think out of all the submissions thus so far, this is the best.

And it would look kick-ass on a ringer t.

Aarseth

Yea, beautiful. Your fabric is very well-rendered. The bit sticking out from under her leg looks a little flat, but that’s not really the focal point of the image.

bharper

contender, i hardly knew her…

I like the workmanship in this one. and i like the colors.

the girl, however, does not strike me as sexy.

Lincoln

I think the picture and the girl are hot. so there

bharper

i love the shapes that form the tip of her hair.

reminds me of an altoids commercial.

inman

Very nice. I think what Ben meant was:

“Contend’er?!

I hardly know’er!”

And a few comments if I may…

The red fabric beneath her thigh looks a little flat. I think the unwrapped ankle could be a little sexier. Those toes look clenched. Uptight girls aren’t sexy. And the red applied a little more like eye shadow and not a Mardi Gras mask would have increased the appeal for me.

All that said I think this is an excellent image that really plays to the limitations of the medium. Now fv, if we could only do something about those panties…

inman

Where’s the ‘saurus? He should totally do a parody shirt called “T: reX appeal vvv!”

randy

Barely dressed girl vs. elephant balancing on ball, hmmm, you cheater you… I like it! One minor thing. I don’t really like the fabric. There’s something strange about it and how it was rendered. In parts it looks as if it were of a different style all together from the girl (Looney Toons vs. Anime). Other than that, it’s fantastic.

RevDrLuv

Well, this isn’t about long blonde hair, big tits sexy. This isn’t your average mall-shopping-girl-next-door sexy either. Her hair and make-up were intentional, cause I think they’re fuckin hot. Regular eye shadow techniques would be so obvious retail-ad “sexy.” She is a rare and lovely badass. The clenched toes were meant to show tension, I mean, she is pulling that fabric going under her pretty tight. ;D

RevDrLuv

I am not sure I see the stylistic difference between girl and fabric you speak of randy. If you look you can see that I broke down the shadows on her face and fabric the same way. hehe maybe it is a little cheap of us to use sex appeal to liven things up, but then that is what this is about.

skaw

I like it, nice illustration - the hair is ultra nice……

bharper

please don’t insult us by mentioning that you are not going for the blonde-al-a-carte style girl. i think you know that we know none of us like bland, blonde, mall-shopping girls.

more accurately, we are refined connoisseurs of the very type of female you are attempting to draw. we are your toughest audience and demand the hottest of uniquely hot women. think of it as a challenge in a game we all want you to win.

inman

I’m all over Alicia Silverstone like a monkey on a PB & banana sandwich. Don’t know what you’re talking about Ben… ;D

bharper

didn’t mean to single out the blondes. im not exclusive.

RevDrLuv

HA! Not to exclude any hotty blondies, but you know what I mean. We are putting EXTREME pressure on ourselves to put authentic and original sexiness down in a series of designs. Look for what is implied, obvious or not, with this and whats to come. It’s quite a challenge, I’ll be the first to admit. We will try to not disappoint (and maybe we will all get a frickin kewl shirt out of it ;D).

RevDrLuv

(monkey on a PB & bannana sandwich!!! hehe)

bharper

come to think of it, she does get me hot.

especially her nose…

and those aren’t panties inman, that’s a shadow…

(maybe only in my minds eye, but no need to prove me wrong..)

inman

I thought it was a shadow at first too but there appears to be a red trim on it that led me to believe they were panties. If this T:SNLG wasn’t with fv I’d almost say that ambiguity was intentional. ;D

inman

hey skaw, can I license your Pinkies? Textual emoticons have the stink of Michael Jackson’s Dangerous to them… B-

^ See what I mean?

randy

I know it’s a month early but looking at that score… I think we may have a winner…

creighton

I wanna give this a three, but I just can’t. The color and linework are so lovely. It’s a gorgeous piece, no doubt.

So I have to give it a four. And I have to get my ass in gear and show this TSNLG some competition.

tacosaurus

I hate to seem negative, but there isn’t the traditional ring of femininity to this one. It just seems to have this boyish feeling to it. I know it is intended to be a woman, but just doesn’t do it so much for me. I think it might be the appearance of sideburns.

and the right hand looks like a foot that has been bound.

mcuesta

Its not a bad image…just dont think it would be all that great for a shirt. Other than that, the vector work is sweetness…

Diamantis

The illustration is hot… no doubts there’ra!

The green brings out the red nicely, and all that! I would have liked to have seen the fabric under the the upper thigh look as realistic as the one on the left hand. And I would also use the fabric to cover that right thumb. It looks like you spent some time on it but it looks sausage-ie and the hand looks like it’s floating a little.

But overall, It works. The face is gorgeous! She is so simple, and she just can’t stop looking at me… It’s freakin hot. I’d love to have her on my chest!

I give it a 3.6

fashionvictim

Numero 2

Click here for more detail

I thought I would link a larger file so you all can see the pattern better. It kind of gets hard to read on screen and since it would be really be on a tee I thought it would be nice to actually get a more realistic idea of what it will look like.

16 years ago, October 28, 2003
RevDrLuv

F’n sweet I must say!

You people better make this beat my first one of this series cause I’d much rather have it on a shirt. It really makes a much better T-shirt design.

Taken to the next level. And with only 2 colors!

jeromius

there is this subtle bondage undertone to both this and the first image … it’s interesting.

hmmmm …

bharper

she appears to have gotten bigger!

great work fashionvictim.

Lincoln

I can’t think of anything to say about this that would be appropriate to write here. ‘cept I like it a lot (said in a voice creepy enough to give Rev Shivers)

RevDrLuv

(Shiver, shiver)

fashionvictim

Hey Lincoln, why don’t you direct those comments to my email—or go on IM.

Where the heck are you anyway? Are you back in Savannah?

fashionvictim

Thanks, bharper for the earlier compliment.

bharper

I just gave this mojo a 4. It’s not just that it’s a nice, hot girl. The thing I dig is the use of scale to emphasize this emotional and spiritual eruption of red flowery love that is emerging from this godess. And I would definately where this ona t-shirt. Tho, my gf might not let me!

inman

inman, forever the voice of decent…

I gave this image a 3 but I’m wishing I had given it a 2. Harsh, huh? I can back it up. The girls posture is uninspired and stiff. The loose restraints, too deliberate. The line weight on the figure is flat and boring. And the erruption of feminine shapes is too delicate and they probably won’t reproduce well at all (no pun intended). There’s just not enough contrast for the image to be engaging.

All that said, if anyone is still listening I have some suggestions for improvement. Vary the stroke weight on the figure (or completely normalize it and vary the stroke weight on the restraints and miscellaneous shapes for contrast). Take a look at the way cloth is rendered in anime and try to breath some life into it. And try reducing the number of those flowery shapes, playing with the size contrast, line weight and fill.

It’s a really neat image but there are better in the running.

RevDrLuv

Damn Inman you are just full of wrong opinions lately!

“…I’m wishing I gave it a two” wtf man? That statement moves your comments a little beyond being just critique. Sounds like you got a chip on your shoulder or something. Whats the deal?

tacosaurus

I think it is the grey that reduces the flattery. The hand seems awkward. Needs a dividing line between index and middle fingers. other than that. I think it is ‘some markable talent.’ nice nipple by the way. Tacosaurus Wrexamus.

fashionvictim

Inman—

Well, I intentionally used a flat line everywhere because I like the detachment it produces. I want it to look strangely unsexy yet erotic at the same time. I think this is achieved because of the line weight, which is totally normalized.

I didn’t want the end result to be too hot for a tshirt. I wouldn’t want to wear something that is too obviously, confrontationally sexy. I want people to see it and not really notice the blatant bondage, but then realize, holy shit, that girl is tied up.

I don’t want the fabric to look anime, if anything I was looking to achieve the flatness of deco inspired design with some fluidity. The flowers and everything else reproduce just fine, I have printed it at 100 percent and nothing gets lost, it looks perfect.

I still think this is hot. Sorry if you don’t agree.

tacosaurus

You know… Flourescent Orange or Pink or Green would look mega dope on grey with black. Seriously, I have printed these colors and they explode with flavor. In an 80’s old school Powell Peralta™ kinda way.

Tacosaurus.

fashionvictim

Taco-

To further explain the process, any awkwardness in the hands is exactly the way the hands were—I had the Rev shoot a photo of me for this design because I have a difficult time drawing women from my head. (don’t get too excited, I embellished certain areas of the body and altered other things to customize it to the type of body and face I wanted to depict) Let me tell you, it is damn awkward to have your wrists tied behind your back. ;D

The line may have helped there, but I didn’t include lots of lines, I was going for more of a simplified sillhouette. A figure study if you will.

fashionvictim

Taco-

Those colors may have been cool, the green actually sounds like something I would like to play with.

The gray background was intended to intensify the coolness and slight detachment, so I would still definitely want to stick with it.

tacosaurus

A little too much information perhaps?

fashionvictim

get over it, it was just for the position. it looks nothing like me. and you know it.

inman

Take what you will from my comments, I gave it a 3 in haste because I liked it initially. But after further examination (and the reasons I covered in my previous post) I think it’s more of a 2. I won’t be buying one if/when it wins—and it looks like it will given the lateness of the contest and the lack of activity on the board.

fv, flatness is one thing but the fabric doesn’t seem fluid, it seems awkwardly drawn. I don’t really go for ArtDeco which might be why I don’t care for this image.

Oh and Nate, my opinions have always been wrong. :P

fashionvictim

What I took from your comments was that you didn’t like the style or anything else about my design. I examined the areas you critiqued, but don’t agree with your suggested changes. I think this is a style issue. I don’t want this to look like anime or any other particular illustrative style. The tone I received from you was one of meanness. One I don’t think I deserved.

This is the first time I have ever attempted anything in this style-or really have worked at illustration. I think it was a successul experimentation. You were unduly harsh with your tone.

You control the site, change your score to a two, and then no one will be able to buy the shirt.

RevDrLuv

Especially the one about my name being Nate. You and Dave, sheeesh!

“Take what you will,” huh? Alright man, you just seem excessively peeved about this image for some reason. Seems out of character for you. I have never heard you start a critique with what was basically “wish i didn’t think I liked it before when I rated it, cause now I think it sucks.” Thats not critique in my book. But I guess you don’t care how we take it and don’t wish to explain yourself so whatever.

inman

I don’t see what everyone is getting so upset about. I’m sorry if feelings were hurt. I wasn’t being critical just to be critical. This is an great illustration for your first attempt and probably better than any I could muster, but I don’t think it’s as good as everyone is making it out to be.

And I’m not going to change my score—I play by the same rules as everyone else. I’ll be happy for you when this shirt goes uncontested and gets printed.

And sorry about the spelling Nat.

inman

Look on the bright side. I’m one person who doesn’t like your image, but how many people on this site just don’t like me?

fashionvictim

I’m not so upset that you don’t like the image, I’m not offended, that’s completely a part of art/design/illustration or anything creative. If everyone liked it, I would be worried.

What bothers me is the tone you took, I just felt like you were angry or mean, not constructive. I haven’t noticed you writing like this unless you are pissed off at the person or the content of the design.

inman

I’m really sorry about that. It may have been carry-over from an issue I had with a client regarding my personal site. I have no beef with you. A lot of times these days I’m typing hastily too, between Photoshop saves at work, breakfast and the morning shower (there’s a visual for your next image, ha!) or while working on my new pet project—which I will let you guys in on when it’s usable. But don’t worry, it’s not something where you have to interact with me so you can all enjoy using it. ;D

fashionvictim

What’s with all this whacky paranoia about us not liking you? I think you’re great, you’re actually a huge inspiration to me, although I never have met you in person— at least I don’t think.

Anyway, you look on the bright side… there are still about four days left of this Tshirt competition, maybe someone will come along and knock me off my pedestal.

fashionvictim

Oh, and apology accepted.

inman

I don’t really think you guys don’t like me, it’s more me not being able to communicate myself clearly and then not liking your reactions. It’s just easier to pretend that you guys don’t like me—that way it’s not my fault. :D

bharper

I really didn’t notice anything mean inmans original tone. I thought it was a fair, and accurate critique.

Inman, your making a site for pets? That’s the big secret? Can I show it to my cat?

HAHAH…

bharper

is there anyway to extend the deadline for this competition? I want to see an actual competition. Not just like a shoe in.

inman

I’ve thought about that Ben, 8 submissions isn’t really a competition. That and I know everyone was going to start and complete their T:SNLGs yesterday but the server was down so no one could. ;D

The thing is though, how many more people would start a T:SNLG if the deadline was extended? My guess is not too many. I think we should follow through and all just go back to ignoring Designologue…

randy

Actually, I’m working on my response to Circus Variant right now and I’m a little nervous about getting it finished in time… I’ll try my damn-dest…

tacosaurus

I wanna compete. Inman, can you rig this thing so I can compete against myself. So I won’t have to wait between designs. I could do eight by myself.

bharper

I asked the same question Taco. I’ve only gotten to invest about eight minutes into this competition so far. I was hoping to make alot more then one image, but it’s sorta out of my control.

fashionvictim

Why don’t you two fools stop talkin shit and do a tdsnlg with each other? Surely, you can bust out some designs on time…

inman

Haha, she’s right, you know.

bedingfield

Not to get off track any more than we already are, but I’d like to step in here: I actually criticize very little in this forum…but my fleeting criticism is usually spawned because I see something I like.

Unfortunately, the perceptions of criticism and dislike are often very similar. By default, criticism is more aggressive and praise is more passive (okay…enough philosophy from me. Sorry).

So, going against the grain of common interpretation, I would like to aggressively praise this latest approach in concept (and content) and passively criticize the execution. I think the exploration of patterns is extremely interesting and I’d like to see how said patterns manifest themselves in the next round or two. As this match evolves, so will the execution. It’s part of the process. And if not, no big deal. I applaud the foray into illustration, fv.

And, hell, we can all (both creator and audience) remember that not every one of these DSNLG’s has to be perfect…I’m just glad to see some new shit up here.

(in an aggressive tone —>>) “These two images represent a nice start to this T: DSNLG”

Since I interact with Inman on a near-daily basis, I will say one thing: he is consistently critical, so I wouldn’t take any personal bias from it (as hard as it is to not take things personally). I respect his opinions, and I’m grateful that he offers them. He tells me that my shit sucks all the time. Thanks, Shaun. For real.

I wonder where the imprint would fall on a shirt?

Okay…stepping out again. Be back in a few months.

bedingfield

Jeez…that’s probably more characters (1564, including spaces) in one post than all of my previous posts combined.

Cut & Paste to Count ‘Em

To those not interested: sorry for my rant above.

RevDrLuv

I am actually glad that the deadline has been extended, even if it means that my first image is not the undisputed winner. In fact I was a little disappointed in the lack of competition (not that the competition was bad, just too little of it)

And yes this is just a start, fv and I are slowly building the groundwork here for whats to come. Consider these the framework of the design to come. My first image was kept very simple and straight foward to allow room for evolution. I think number 2 moves it a little further into what we are trying to accomplish. I am again, happy for this extension because now we have time to explore this further.

Expect a very concrete and linear progression with this series.

bedingfield

I expect nothing less.

fashionvictim

thank you to everyone for the quality feedback, now lets all shut up and keep designing! :D

tacosaurus

repeat “, now lets all shut up and keep designing!” 17 days later.

fashionvictim

well, i can honestly say we are designing. just not for designologue—

SykChyld

Both pretty bad ass pix, to bad that link dosent work anymore. I wanted to take a peep .

fashionvictim

thx, skychyld. sorry about the link. my site got hacked a while back and i had to remove everything and reupload. i guess that link didn’t make it back up.

some day, the rev and i may finish this one.