An archive of visual dialogue.

Designologue

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sanguine
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cowpiesurprise

Begin.

17 years ago, March 19, 2003
bearskinrug

An interesting start, cowpie…

Relation in layout, relation in value… the hint of an incestuous menage a trois…

sanguine

for some reason when i saw this image (#1) i thought of a proof. therefore, i tried to explain how ( especially to designers) CMYK and a proof prints are relative to one another.

crystal

17 years ago, March 21, 2003
tacosaurus

you have been educated. Educatededamuhdid. edjumacated. Get yer edjmakayshun on. I dare you to rock a hexachrome on an RGB. cmyk=rgb!=reality.com

sanguine

you should try speaking english because i love feedback, but honsestly, that makes no sense at all.

crystal

bearskinrug

You have to admit, that’s pretty coherent for a dinosaur.

inman

Don’t mind the dino, he’s just one of those curious fixtures that everyone accepts because they don’t want to fuel his ire.

Wait, wouldn’t that make him dragon?

bearskinrug

Depends how many villagers he’s eaten…

bharper

but can you educate me on how a printer (an epson it looks like) can print from both ends???

cowpiesurprise

Crystal, I’m not sure I understand what you mean by “CMYK and a proof print are relative to one another.” It’s a nicely composed image, but I’m unclear on how it responds to the theme.

sanguine

ok… since i couldnt really do a whole printing press, i did it with just a regular printer. the idea was that the paper going in is on the top… its not really printed on. it was to symbolize that all you start with is CMYK and you end up with, for example, your first image. i then added crop marks to it and put the proofing information on the bottom. you cant have a print without those colors… they are relative in that way.

i wanted to try and use the definition to its fullest and not stick to the idea of relation as humans are.

relative ie: n. 1. One related by kinship, common origin, or marriage. 2. Something having a relation or connection to something else.

hope that helps.

crystal

cowpiesurprise

CMYK relative to RGB.

17 years ago, March 23, 2003
bearskinrug

Nice turn, Mr. Surprise…

sanguine

introducing COLOR tv!… the first instance of those fancy color test bars. since we were on color, i used the idea that since color tvs came out people cannot live without them… there is no going back. today you would not think of a television being without color.

crystal

17 years ago, March 25, 2003
cowpiesurprise

Another day, another color mode. Nice response, sanguine. For once, aged texture and retro imagery are used to support an idea! A question: What is the significance of the blue, red, and magenta squares?

One way I might have approached this differently to really sell the idea of the brand-new concept of color TV would be a harsh juxtaposition between drab, low contrast grayscale imagery and very rich, vibrant color. Think of the transitional scene in Wizard of Oz when Dorothy stepped out of her black and white house into the colorful world of Oz.

sanguine

i thought about that too (with the drab to bold)… but i thought patriotic was the way to go right now… i couldnt help it.

those squares on the bottom are from your last image. i took the part with with dots and shrunk them down as if we were looking at how the color is made up. like WOW look at this new thing!!! in a lot of the research i was doing for this one i found ads where whole tvs were taken apart to show how they were made… same idea but with color.

crystal

inman

Out of curiosity, how is this image patriotic? Am I missing something other than the hints of Old Glory (the two stars)? Or are color TVs and the ensuing Super-Sized, As Seen On TV American lifestyle of excess and consumerism now considered expressions of patriotism?

This isn’t an attack - I’m just feeling colorful :D

bearskinrug

It’s pretty patriotic. All those ladies are holding firearms…

So, sanguine… I like the image, but what is the relative relationship here?

sanguine

inman- from looking at all the other ads and the way they were worded back then, it seemed to me that it was your duty to be a part and join the rest of society in taking part in the wonders of television. it is more of a parody of the idea… using the subtle colors and the stars to hint at it. back then being patriotic was even more of a duty than it is today. it just a way to mock the advertising and the idea that you could sucker people in just using this theme back then. that is all =)

bearskinrug- why does it always seem that you are mocking me? ok… as i have explined before all relative really means is having a relation. if you dont think, as i explained above, color being related to television is so related today that we cant live without it (so to speak), then i dont know how to better explain things to you. it was the idea that after this point the two become more relative than penut butter and jelly. does that help?

i dont understand why my images are so confusing…? i clearly explain them, or so i think. honestly, i am a strong concept person and i guess more explaination would be good…? just wondering.

crystal

bearskinrug

Sorry, sanguine - I’m not mocking you. I just didn’t pick up on the idea. But you’re right - you clearly stated it. My apologies.

bharper

i dont know what those ladies are holding down below the TV, but i am confident its not 21 inches…

tacosaurus

I still think you should try rocking a Hexachrome in RGB. Or Maybe I should fucking speak English. So you idiots can understand my jibberish. CryptoEbonoTron Disabled.

cowpiesurprise

Sorry I haven’t responded yet; I have had no time to work on it, and still have no time. Image 5 should be up within a week…

bearskinrug

You’ve let down sanguine. You’ve let down me. But most importantly, you’ve let down cowpiesurprise. Learn to love yourself, cowpie.

cowpiesurprise

Representation in government relative to socio-economic status. Are you still out there, Crystal?

16 years ago, May 5, 2004
zdoob

i really like this image a lot beause of the message it coveys… i could definitely see it in a magazine.

personally, i would like to have seen more in the background. at first glance, i thought it would be cool to see the left half in a posh up-scale livingroom, and the right half in a lower income environment… but that would likely be overkill.

it’s a great image, and the blend is well executed, but for my taste, i think i need just a little more.

great job!

cowpiesurprise

Thanks for the comments, zdoob. I agree that there’s something missing, and I tried a few different things to put the TV in a specific context, but everything I tried only muddled the image and lessened the impact of the TV, so I just left it as is.

bearskinrug

Clever, Mr. Surprise. Zdoob has a good suggestion, but I can see what you’re saying , too.

What sparked this idea?

Lincoln

i like your concept and execution, but it seems a bit of a jump from the others. Color played a big part in the first 4, and this one’s relatively plain (oh, I made a pun!) you could have kept the ‘no more black and white’ from the last image and had a little double meaning.

cowpiesurprise

Well, the initial idea I got from the retro TV imagery in sanguine’s #4 was to pursue a cultural relativism angle, examining our culture’s current behavioral standards relative to those in the ’50s. Think of the OJ Simpson mugshot fiasco (when Time magazine altered the photo’s levels to make him look more sinister) with an old television as the filter instead of a magazine cover. So it would have been something like an image of a typical 2004 rock band – considered innocuous by today’s standards – displayed on a 1950s television screen, altered in such a way to demonstrate just how bizarre, perhaps disturbing, it would have looked and sounded to the people of that time (remember when Marty McFly blasted his dad’s ears with Van Halen in Back to the Future?).

Anyway, I tinkered with that idea for awhile, and through trial and error, it ultimately evolved into what you see.

cowpiesurprise

Lincoln, I agree that there’s a bigger gap between #5 and its predecessor than we saw in the previous images. I tried keeping some of the text from #4 for a smoother transition, but it seemed an unnecessary and superfluous reference. I guess I decided that the television element was a sufficient link between the two images.

sanguine

I am still here but I don’t have as much free time as I once did. I will try and respond but work is INSANE right now. I guess since you took a year for this I may take another. =)

cowpiesurprise

Understood.

sanguine

Sooner than I thought.

Synopsis: This is supposed to be simple. It conveys my message more that way.

The Bush image made me think of many horrible things, but war was one of the major ones. I am sure I am not alone in feeling we would be in a different place without this horrible man.

I feel the quote says it all. In case it doesn’t, these are both beach images, refuges, but obviously have very different meanings and feelings. There is the beach there (supposedly) and the one here, in perfect America.

This image is ‘relative’ in two ways. First of all the entire concept was based on the last image with Bush and secondly the idea of the two beach images being alike but totally differnt.

I’m not one for political images but where else was I to go?!.

NEXT!!! =)

16 years ago, May 20, 2004
inVZbl

This logue is actually quite nice, good to see its being continued.

Not sure about the last image though, i understand your explanation above, but visually the consistancy is gone from the other images in the series. The other images worked really well together and had some sort of flare to them. This seems more tame and bland compared to the previous images.

As much as i love dropshadows, the text could have been experimented with abit more.

sanguine

I don’t disagree with the type comment. I didn’t want it to be ‘designed’ for the sake of it, though. This way I felt it fit with the piece and wasn’t pretending to be something it wasn’t. It is simple.

I also don’t know if I disagree with not fitting. It does fit with the last image but, as most did, I feel that one did not fit so well with where we were. So, as you said, now this one doesn’t fit so well either.

Thank you for the comment.

cowpiesurprise

Nice volley. This one responds more directly than your previous images to the Relative theme, as well as to the concept of Image 6. For my taste, the execution leaves a bit to be desired (the motion blur gets to be a bit much, and I think a less didactic and more poignant quote might have been selected for the subject), but the thought process comes through, and that remains a vital and oft-ignored aspect of successful design.

Beerad

What a huge color change from the first 3/4 images. Good and bad, I like the colors much more in the last two images then any of the ones before. I think the type looks fine, fits the image and the theme. The one thing that feels odd to me is the faded corners on the images… Wonderful thought put into the image!

inVZbl

yeah maybe the dark edges threw me off…

I did like the theme by the way, it does play nicely off the last one.