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Wizdom
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Villi
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Wizdom

And we’re off!

16 years ago, July 5, 2004
zdoob

i think the image of someone hanging is VERY powerful and a great component to this piece. i don’t see martyrs though. these people could be hanging beacause they are murderers or horse-thieves. i know that art isn’t supposed to be literal, but i just don’t see implied martyrdom.

Wizdom

But it does, because it is said literally. Look at the orange circle, a catholic symbol of martyrdom. Anyway, the topic is Martyr, but the conversation would probably be better titled “What is martrydom?” I’m discussing what it is, what it isn’t, and how that is interperable. If that man fed his family by stealing horses, would he not be a martyr to them?

It might not apply martyrdom to you because you have an outlook on what it should be for you, or what it isn’t.

zdoob

wow… you learn something new every day.

Villi

sorry about the slow response it´s just been hectic hera at work. I´ll try to get my shit together in the next couple of day´s.

Villi

Sounds like these martyrs got a bad deal.

16 years ago, July 16, 2004
Wizdom

Good stuff man, I really like it. The composition is interesting and the red is really textured, good stuff.

Wizdom

Well, here we are. I wanted to change the style up completely and I feel like showing a fun marked with a religious symbol embodies all of the controversial topics related to a Martyr. Afterall, whose Martyr? Religious Suicice bombers think they are right and just. ” Holy War”, is that not a contradiction in morals?

16 years ago, July 17, 2004
Wizdom

In my statement above, that is supposed to be “gun” not “fun”, sorry.

Beerad

SORRY! I click 1 I ment to click 2 ….

But it seems to fall away from the horror that image 1 and 2 had. The v 2.0 make it seem to webby. And the hand drwn gun I don’t know……..

bharper

you can edit your posts Wizdom.

zdoob

i think the idea is solid… tying the religious symbol and the gun together. but the execution (pun intended) could’ve been better.

i’d like to give it a 2. since beerad accidentally gave you a 1, i’ll give it a 3 to balance it out.

Villi

I like this idea with the gun and cross. War has had so many ties in the past with religion that the word Holy war seems almost normal to us but should it be? But I think that you should have maybe given yourself some more time with the image itself. It feels kinda out of balance the gun is pulling all the attention out of the composition so you never really give the bullet striking the word martyr a second thought. But I think I have a good idea where to take the next image! Wich by the way should be in the next couple of days.

Wizdom

Fair enough guys. I actually was working on this image a couple days before he put his in. Or, should I say, I was working on an image and this kinda fell into the next stage of this logue without me realizing it.

Anyway, I said I was mixing up the style a bit, which I did, so I expected a mix review. And that’s fine. Personally I like the drawn gun quite a bit and I find the composition well balanced thanks to the blurred background to the right and the bullet travel path. Still, I see what you mean with the bullet hitting “Martyr” Villi.

Well, I tried, what can I say? lol - lets keep this going. Oh, and where on the screen do you vote for someone’s work?

Beerad

If you can’t vote you need to request a level upgrade.