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Designologue

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jeromius
Conspirator
bharper
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jeromius

Here’s the concept behind this designologue - it’s a collaborative effort, for this first image, I created the graphics, then Ben sent me the text to plug in. Next time around, he creates the image, I put the text in and so on, and so on, and so on.

The whole “Mad Lib” concept comes in because the text doesn’t necessarily have anything to do with the image, but when you put the two together, something hilarious might occur.

16 years ago, August 20, 2003
jeromius

who the hell gave this a 1 ?

I’m not usually someone who is hung up on the whole rating system, but it pisses me off when someone tells you your work sucks and doesn’t even bother telling you why.

inman

They probably didn’t read your comment and just didn’t get the image. You’re lucky anyone saw it at all given the lack of energy around here.

bharper

word. did everyone die or something?

jeromius

yeah - I know, it’s been DEAD around here lately. I haven’t even seen the tacosaurus stirring up trouble.

Has there even been a new member in the past couple months that has participated in a dsnlg? It seems like people join, but then they just disappear.

Oh - and I did all those illustrations myself. That’s at least worth a 2.

jeromius

heh heh … hey ben.

looks like we’re the only ones online.

bharper

Hey Jeromius. we could critique our own work. That would certainly foster a good relationship between designers.

In regard to my word choice. I kept playing with various phrases, and then I realized, as long as it had a certain amount of randomness it didnt really matter what it said. I tried to make it neutral. Non political. I thought about doing something about the blackout, but in the end, that gave me the idea for the sun rising joke, in the nightime picture.

I like your illustrations. They have a nice cohesiveness between them. Sort of Clark Kent esque. Some weird areas, like that dudes left thumb, and the hips of the superhero. But the posture of the first cell dude is great. And i like the light in that one.

Im not crazy about all of the whtie space around the cells. I look forward to making the next image. And since it is safe to say no one else will see it, i am sure to focus only on our dialogue and not on what the others think or say

jeromius

thanks for the feedback on the illustration - I did like the neutrality of your word choice, it’s actually pretty funny stuff.

yeah - I did sort of a rush job on some of these illustrations (done over a two hour period last night, I’m no Stan Lee!) so there are some details that I skipped over - like the grotesquely large thumb (maybe it’s a character quirk, yeah - that’s it).

The superhero’s hips kind of look weird since I got lazy. Originally, I had him busting a hole in the wall, and I left out the motion lines and I also got lazy on shading on the superhero. Basically, I think if I would have spent a bit more time on it, I could have tightened it up a bit.

As for the white space, yeah - I’m not crazy about that, I should have fixed that before I uploaded. I was hoping that maybe you would have thrown in a comic strip title or something - kind of play off the theme of the image.

Overall, I think it’s a decent image - and really, was my first attempt at a “comic book” style illustration. I think I pulled it off. I don’t care what anyone else thinks, I think I did a good job on this one.

Looking forward to your next image!!!!

jeromius

Oh yeah - what’s with the 404 on the pager?

Any significance to that number?

And yeah - I did change the font on that one, I thought that it went a little bit better with the digital readout.

bharper

damn. i should have added a title. why didnt you yell at me? The 404 font looks better. I didnt have a good digitial clock looking font. 404 was derived by me trying to think about a meaningless number, that had no significance, but that people would recognize. First it was 411,911,420.. etc.. till i settled on 404. The only significance i can think of is like, a 404 error msg. hehe.. It’s kinda fun having a private conversation in a public forum.

jeromius

yeah - it sure is fun.

Looks like there is someone else who started a log today too.

I approved him this morning, his name is moctopus or something like that. I think he’s going to end up being a Canadian version of Tacosaurus.

bharper

hhehe.. or maybe Taco moved Noth.

Lincoln

I gave this one a 4. I agree with all the criticisms that Ben said and might have given it a three, but I’m so damn glad to see some comic-inspired work with some clever humor so I gave ya a lil boost.

anethon

you guys suck, I thought I was going to get the last ever dsnlg posted :D

So when the “writer,” Ben in this case, writes it out, does he know what the image is? Or do you just send him the panels and word bubbles?

I agree with everything you guys posted about the image. Could have used a little more work, but it’s solid.

Lincoln

oh and it shoulda been 414

-representin’ like the internet Lincoln

Lincoln

at work yesterday, some guy I don’t know called out ‘Abe Lincoln’ to get my attention.

Lincoln

man, I got you guys beat, I’m talking to myself in a public forum.

jeromius

hey man - thanks.

Well, to answer your question about whether or not Ben saw this before he wrote the text, well - he saw the image, but I put in the text boxes and bubbles - we weren’t sure how we were going to execute this first image since we were still trying to figure out how to do a mad lib through designologue.

We’ve figured that out now, but Ben did create the text as if he never saw the image.

In the future, we’re just going to create some random phrases and then plug them in - graphic unseen.

And as for comic work - I liked how this turned out, so I’m going to do some more in the future.

bharper

I guess I dont know what a 414 msg is, only 404.

shit, my heart just started beating real fast realizing i gotta do some cartooning. This should be interesting.

Aarseth

I’ve loved the concept behind this one from the beginning. Really, umm, thinking outside the box, if you’ll excuse the expression.

I love the illustrations, Jeromius. What I don’t love is your typography. I would have liked to see the text hand-rendered, since you were going for a comic book thing.

The image as a whole is pretty random. Are the future images going to maintain the comic-style format?

anethon

hmh, yeah I think that’s a flaw in your metthod… You can write text “as if” it’s random, but it’s really not. So you’re going to do it differently?

A friend and I used to do something similar, we would do it on paper and use tracing paper to copy the word-bubbles. Then we would hand the tracing paper over, and the other guy will fill them in with text.

If you’re doing this with photoshop, and you have the text-areas on a separate layer, you can just save off that layer and send it across. Then the other guy knows how much space he has to work in.

Another thing we did was this…. if you had several word bubbles in different panels, we would put something like “character A”, “character B” under the word bubbles. That way the other guy knew it was the same character speaking in a different panel… but he still didn’t know what the image was…

Just a suggestion. Looks like fun, I want to do one!

bharper

yes, but you see, in this capacity, i was able to make phrases that were relatedly unrelated. There are many equally valid approaches to this theme. And I dont think you can tell from the words wether I had seen the image or not.

jeromius

drew everything in Flash MX - the hand drawn text would have been a good idea (actually, I created a font based on my handwriting that would have worked).

Hey - there’s lots of room to grow, I’d like to keep the comic theme going - it’s so much fun to draw.

jeromius

oh - and like I said, Ben and I discussed a method for the next round for the text. So it will be more random.

bharper

I thought this font had a comic book esque look. Somewhere between a font and hand writing. Maybe not.

inman

This site is a riot: Everyone mopes around for days because no one is participating. Then a few people start moaning about it and the site kicks back into life. Repeat every two weeks but act surprised each time it happens.

Sure, there’s only so much you can do if no one is hitting the pages but my logs show fairly frequent visits. Unregistered Guests are always browsing through the designologues, previously Registered Members are logging in every 5 minutes or so. Think about it, if you’re on public transportation who are you more likely to talk to: the jovial guy drawing a crowd of strangers by energetically talking about the local sports team (or whatever) or the mopey guy stewing in the corner because no one’s talking to him? Don’t mope, come back when you have something interesting to add. Meta-conversations about the lack of conversation are boring. That’s why no one posts during those periods and why you’re thinking about leaving without posting after reading this. Am I right? ;D

bharper

This sounds like more meta talk to me! But, you are right. Meta talk is lame. But we are sensitive creatures.

creighton

I’m guilty of lurking and not participating. Shit, I probably log in every quarter hour throughout the day if I’m not too swamped at work. DSNLG is my community and something I feel connected to, no matter how little traffic the site is exhibiting.

I like meta talk. I like how it bounces back and forth between commentary on the imagery and all the asides. That shows the true community aspect (I’ve posted about this idea before).

Anyway, back to the image critique. I’ll say this:

This image and concept is fantastic.

It’s a clever idea that had better spawn more DSNLGs like it…it’s a fun idea that keeps people interested. And it uses the ‘medium’ (i.e. the site) in a whole new way.

I need to finish up my other DSNLGs once and for all so that I can start participating in something like this.

bharper

wow. that’s a lot of nice things you say creighton.

inman

Mike gets a gold star. Should you be sketching Ben? ;D

tacosaurus

turkey… turkey…

¿get the drift?

bharper

Jeromius… WHERE ARE YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU???

I got an image, now I need your text, and your next of kin.

bedingfield

Solid start…I’m intrigued by the concept.

jeromius

I’ve been in Sin City my friend - just got back in. I’ll send you my dialogue tomorrow morning.

bharper

The following day…

16 years ago, August 26, 2003
bharper

Knowing I could not match jeromiuss illustration skillz, i opted for another route. But, don’t think this is an easy route to take.

These are my first two experiments with vector trace illustrations. And it is not nearly as easy as hitting the trace bitmap button in flash.

Drawing on what inman said in another dsnlg, I remembered to include the building from the last image which in my mind, makes it seem like a daytime corporate look at that same location.

superhero’s come out at night. Hotdogs come out in the day.

jeromius

sometimes they come out at night too …

This is AWESOME.

This time, the text and image were done seperately, meaning that I didn’t see the image when I created the text.

I think it turned out to be pretty funny!

I can’t wait to start working on the next image.

inman

Nice work guys! Yeah, that vector trace can turn out pretty weak sometimes. These are some pretty good results. My only complaint on this piece is the leading of “I thought it was just another day in the park, but…” It feels way too loose given the amount of space above and below the two lines of text.

Well, I guess that and the bounding boxes. It is relevant to the medium that you guys are basing this designologue on but because of the site’s aesthetic, it’s just one more box inside of 6 others. I claim full responsibility for that though. Cheers!

bharper

Yea. I should have paid more attention to that one narration box. I had the spaces laid out ahead of time, and I just didnt spend the time to get that piece of text perfect. The rest is ok, tho.

jeromius

I’m still laughing at this one!

creighton

Yay! I like this one very much. Stylistically, I dig. I like the pacing on the left…and the overall composition works very well — good movement.

I agree with inman about the “I though it was…” box.

Still though, you guys are pulling it off. Funny as hell and visually stimulating — like good 80’s porn.

jeromius

ha ha ha … yeah, I guess you could draw that comparison.

I am the hedgehog.

Aarseth

Yea, this came out really nice. I don’t know how you thought about having the guy crossing between frames (maybe its a standard comic book trick?) but it really works.

My only critcisms are aimed at type (as usual). I’d tighten up the leading in the “I thought…” box, as well as what they said earlier. And add a little more leading to the “Love snd Hotdogs” part. Also there, I think LOVE is too small. Or too big. Y’know? It’s almost the same size as HOTDOGS, but not quite, in that maddening kind of way. If it’s to be smaller, make it noticeably smaller.

Nice job on the illustrations though. Real nice.

bharper

you know, I appreciate the comments on type. This is an area where I am noteably weak. I did put extra effort into the type of this image, but I know I have lots of learning to do. So, to kick it off, what does “leading” mean?

also, about those frames above, they may do that in comic books, but it felt original when i did it. It was unplanned, and i thought it was very clever.

jeromius

I’ve seen that done in comics before - usually two or three panels with one continous background. It’s a cool look, and I like the fact you did it - it gives the illusion of motion.

Lincoln

leading is the amount of space between lines of text.

and yeah, making the guy walk between panels was a good way of repeating the same image without making it looking cloned. I think it might have helped if he was walking at a slight angle, with him coming closer.

bharper

oh, like leading and kerning. duh.

bharper

oh, jeromius, jeromius, where for art thou jeromius……

jeromius

working my ass off …

I’m almost finished w/ the next image.

Work before play, however - that’s the way it goes.

jeromius

I need to apologize …

too many deadlines @ work right now, and freelancing like a mofo as well …

I’m almost tempted to upload what I have done, and maybe have you send me some new text.

I’ve gotta think about it.

grrrrr

Work sucks.

bharper

as you like. sorry work load is so heavy.

risekevin

Great idea for a designologue. I gave the first image a 4, and the second one a 3. Great visual eye in the first illustration, as far as the composition of each frame. I look forward to seeing how this progresses and the story of the characters unwinds…

jeromius

I had wanted to do much more with this, but I’m up to my ass in work right now - so I figured anything was better than nothing.

16 years ago, September 18, 2003
Lincoln

I like the illustrations and the text but I hate the background (I know you’re busy but I think I would’ve taken just a horizon line over the empty room corner…maybe that’s just me) and the way the two characters are riding the edges gets my panties in a bunch

Wolfboy

nope, don’t like this one. It feels very rushed. The title text is badly set. the characters are uncomfortable in the composition. A bit weak.

randy

Fred Flintstone or Barney Rubble?

jeromius

I’ll be the first to admit this is shite.

Personally, I would have loved to spend more time working on this - the background is way too empty, and overall I did a sucky job on it compared to the time I spent on the characters.

Oh, and speaking of characters - they are placed too far apart now that I look at it. If I would have brought them in a little more, tightened it up, it would have felt a bit warmer. Sorry to get your panties in a knot there Lincoln.

And Randy - thanks for picking up on the cheese factor of these characters. I got these from some character sheets I had in an old animation book. Look for their animated adventures coming soon (yeah, I’m going to do an animation based on them).

jeromius

hey B - are you turning into a lazy bastard like I am?

bharper

“B” is for Bastard!

This is definately one of the most challenging dsnlgs I’ve participated in.

Last night I tried doing character drawings of prominent dsnlg members based on the self portrait one-off’s. I also thought of matching cartoon characters to DSNLG members. Sort of a blend between HIGHCSHOOLE NOTEBOOK style references and Mad Libs style drawing. But I could only match Taco to the purple Flintstone Dinosaur.

The stumbling block comes in the drawing. I can draw cartoonish things. I just can’t do it consistantly or in an illustrative way like yours. Plus, you left me in a bit of a rut with this last one.

So, there you have it.

Plus, I’ve been busy, with work. (which is a good thing)

inman

I think I said this somewhere else, “Inman rocks?” I saw him on VH1 last week. VH1!!

jeromius

I understand the work thing - whenever you get to it, you get to it. Just wanted to check in.

I liked your idea about doing different dsnlg characters. I was actually toying with that idea as well.

Hmmm … maybe there is a way to finish out the rest of this log.

Lincoln

I don’t know what you’re talking about with “Inman Rocks?”…I guess I don’t watch enough VH1

but I do know about “Fresh Inman Meats!”…OH YEAH

when I was up in PA last month I went to the Warhol museum and they had a special exhibit going that was a recreation of a fake grocery store that warhol and a few other artists did back in the day. Originally, it included fake cheeses, veggies, and meats that were sold at high prices. and works of art that were sold at cheap ‘grocery store prices’…anyway there was an advertisement for the event that annouced that they had ‘fresh Inman meats” …I tried to take a picture of it, but when I wound up my disposable camera, an employee heard it and ran around the corner to stop me because it was a ‘special exhibit’…

its a good thing they stopped me cuz who knows what what would happen if those russians wound up with photos of a room that was faked to look like a 50 year old exhibit that was faked to look like a grocery store

bharper

oh those crazy russians..

don’t have nothing better to do then worry about our outlandish pranks..

jeromius

So, Ben, did you get my email?

I’m waiting for the next image!

inman

Damn, Lincoln. If only…I can’t find pictures of this American Supermarket or the original online anywhere. If anyone comes across a picture with “fresh Inman meats” in it, do tell. I’m sure the rest of the family would get a kick out of it too.

Yeah Ben, waiting.

bharper

A lot of ideas in this one..

something about being a nerdy designer…

part dilbert and corporate america..

part hyper intellectual nonsense and meaningless conversation…

16 years ago, October 16, 2003
fashionvictim

My major gripe about this one is the typography in the thought bubbles. It doesn’t work well at all. I think a more handwritten, scratchy, comic book look in black would work better. Right now, I can barely read it and it just doesn’t pull the design together.

With that said… the illustration style is cool, but the scale seems whacked (is that intentional)?

bharper

yea, i had some cool ideas for the type on this one.. but i didnt actually get to it..

what’s wrong with the scale?

fashionvictim

I was just asking if your scale/perspective were intentionally wierd and wacko because everything in relation to the dudes is pretty small.

bharper

oh, yea.. it’s wacky alright.

intentional? no.. just the way it came out.

randy

The guy on the left has his right ear ONLY pierced. Hmmmm, YEOSSSSS!

inman

WTFDTM?!?!?! :D

jeromius

yeah, I don’t care much for the type - but other than that, it’s pretty great.

I used to work with that guy on the right. He used to grow hydroponic weed in his attic. He was a strange guy.

bharper

homophobic, much?

randy

No, he actually kinda looks like me… I however do not grow hydroponic marijuana in my attic… . It’s in my “sun room.”

jeromius

he sure does randy - and I know what those hands are doing under that table.

creighton

Have you guys given a good look at that guy on the right’s eyes? They’re f’ing CRAZY.

I like everything in this image execpt for the thought bubbles and type treatment. I do indeed wish they were equally wacky.

jeromius

yeah - those eyes are freaky.

It’s just like the guy I previously mentioned.

One time, we went to this party and there was this stuff on the table. He took a straw and snorted it. I asked him what it was, and he said, “I don’t fucking know - but I’ll find out soon enough” Turns out it was some sort of laundry detergent but he got all fucked up and his eyes were weird like that.

This dude was, without a doubt, the craziest cat I’ve ever met.

creighton

I aspire to be that guy. I’ll keep working on it.

RevDrLuv

Are you sure you were not just watching Cheech & Chong: Up In Smoke??? lol

fashionvictim

Creighton…you aspire to be the guy that snorts laundry detergent? uh oh. what has your job done to you?

bharper

the guys i drew are the types that dress like they snort laundry detergent but secretly return home in the evenings to watch will & grace.

jeromius

I sent this picture to the friend I was talking about, and all he could say is this:

“It looks like I’m wearing a turtleneck sweater. I should start wearing turtleneck sweaters.”

Other than that, he liked the image and agreed that it does look like him.

jeromius

looks like it might be a while until I can illustrate anything.

Broke my right middle finger over the weekend.

I can’t hold a pen at all … and typing is a challenge.

jeromius

Okay - so it’s taken me like a month and a half to respond. For that, I’m sorry.

Not my original concept, but amusing all the same.

16 years ago, December 21, 2003
jeromius

The next image I do in this DSNLG will also be my last. I’ve had some good times on here, but I just can’t find the time to work on this stuff anymore.

RevDrLuv

Hey don’t abandon us. Look at the time between bedingfield’s posts! He is still a much needed member here. Just hang around and annoy people with text postings like I do! ;D

jeromius

I’ll probably be back -

Not sure if I posted it on here, but I’ve got a shorty on the way, the due date is NEXT WEEK. So I’ve been pretty preoccupied with things the past couple months, as will I be occupied with things in months to come.

Until I get some balance back in my life, I will make some triumphant return, but in the meantime, I’ll try to pop in every once in awhile.

I haven’t gotten much sleep lately. And reading my last post, I didn’t exactly come across the way I meant to. Hopefully this follow-up will clear things up.

So tired, so very tired …

RevDrLuv

Whoa congratulations! …and good luck! :D

jeromius

Thanks!

bharper

HOLY SHIT DUDE>….

good luck.. and best wishes

tacosaurus

Most Xtreme Ellimination Challenge.

Lincoln

don’t eliminate. procreate. snap. congrats jeromius.

jeromius

thanx - just glad to know my plumbing works.

bharper

there are less life altering ways to check ones plumbing, but shit man, im happy your plumbing works too.

jeromius

well, what makes it more interesting is that I’ve only got half the working plumbing - I lost one of my love nuggets to cancer almost 4 years ago. So I’m only operating at half capacity if ya know what I mean.

It’s good to know that things still work.

bharper

wow. what a tale jeromious. i am certainly impressed by your remaining love nugget. its not quantity, its quality.

good luck with all that.

tacosaurus

Right there with you jeromius. Lost one in a Lawn Mowing accident.

jeromius

really taco?

we should start the “One Ball Brotherhood”

inman

Not an especially funny topic, but I really hope you’re joking Taco. Ouch.

bharper

thanks for saying that Inman, cuz i was thinking the same thing. Taco, i hope your kidding, but if you are, you’re a mean son of a bitch, and i mean that in a rude way.. if it did happen, then that sucks..

i cant imagine how your groind would end up near the blades… but stranger things have happend..

hope you both are OK.

jeromius

I’ve come to accept the hand that life’s dealt me - and kind of laugh at it now. At the time, I wasn’t laughing about it - cancer is a pretty mother-fuckin’-serious thing, especially when it means the possibility of losing one or both of your love nugs.

My message - if you haven’t already, make sure to routinely check your boys for anything unusual. Just like women should check for breast cancer.

Luckily, I caught it early enough so it didn’t spread, but not everyone is so lucky (thanks to the routine physicals I had to take playing hockey in college, I found out early).

jeromius

Ben - where you is?

I’m dying to do a dsnlg.

bharper

im right here. i’ll add this to my to-do when im not burnt out from 9-5ing it list.

bharper

Why don’t you prepare some text. Just write a few paragraphs and I’ll pick and choose. Or, write what you want, and I’ll go with it.

jeromius

I’ll email ya with some text.

9-5, eh? See why it took me so long before to get around to doing dsnlgs?

bharper

yeah, i should probably apologize to everyone who i herassed when i was unemployed about their inability to turn dsnlgs around quickly.. lol..

jeromius

where did you go ben?

let’s finish this mofo.

bharper

im right here dude.

i thought you were lost in baby land, so ive been letting this one slip a little..

i’ll get back on it..

get down on it..

get down on it..

(im such a hot singer)

jeromius

yeah, was in babyland - but only for like a month until I got my shit together. Things have smoothed out now, especially since the little guy sleeps all the time.

I want to get back to dsnlg.