An archive of visual dialogue.

Designologue

Theme
CLUE
Initiator
bharper
Conspirator
jeromius
A vintage image
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bharper

Had lots of idea’s for this one… this is sorta an amalgamation of them… but i got more to come.

16 years ago, April 29, 2003
jeromius

Ahhhh … now I see how this is going to go. I’ve got to pull out the old Clue game from the basement and take a look at it.

Like the image - one tiny criticism - I like the magnify glass over the board, but it doesn’t really look like it is magnifying anything. Other than that, everything looks great!

Expect a reply in a day or so.

bharper

yeah…. at one point it realy did magnify.. but i didnt like what it was magnifying…. so i deleted it. I actually had a dream with an image for this dsnlg. and this image doesnt look nothin like it… :( …. but im gonna try to be more adherent to my dreams image next time…

jeromius

It’s still cool all the same - I remember playing this game all the time, and once I think I stabbed my brother with one of the game pieces. Soon after that, I think they switched over to the crappy plastic weapons - that took some of the fun out of it.

bharper

we need to find a way to capatalize on the cheesy ness of this theme. I mean, i find myself almost twinging at the concept, but I think thats part of the idea. I mean, its a board game. Its cool and all, but its still just a board game. So… i dunno… what do you think jeromius?

bharper

I was thinking, if we could imbed some sort of evolving mystery. Like, if we could find a way for a game to develop through out the images, that woudl be cool.

jeromius

That’s sort of the idea that I had when I was thinking about this. But the question is - how will we go about eliminating the suspects/weapons/rooms? I mean, can we rule out Col. Mustard at this point? Or the revolver? Or the Cloak Room?

I’d like to play this as a game, but also provide “clues” in each image as to who it was that committed the murder.

So, should we agree that with each sucessive round, we eliminate a suspect, a room, and a weapon but also leave hints as to who might have done the crime?

bharper

Agreed. so, and to make it clear, lets say that Round 1’s guess was a wrong guess. So, it definately was NOT Colonel Mustard, with the Revolver in the Cloak Room.

bearskinrug

I like all the thinking behind this. Clever concept, gents!

randy

Rule #1; watch the pixelation. Couldn’ve done with a more realistic blood drip. I like the pattern and the concept.

With that much blood I’d guess the wrench as the weapon of choice.

bharper

I think it was “George Bush,” In the “Iraqy Freedom Room” with The “Weapon of Mass Destrucion.”

bharper

yeah… i dont think the blood is pixelated… but if you mean that you can see my brush strokes, thats true. its hard to make blood. its something we have all seen a million times and will generate a spectrum of feelings as it goes from cheezy and low realism, to more realistic looking. So, yeah, i struggled with the blood. I have struggled with it in the past. I am no good with blood as I usualy, (with the exception of this image and the original good and evil image) never ever draw blood…. for this very reason. So live and let bleed…

jeromius

nocturna brushes - you can find some bloody brushes on here (well, bloody in the fluid sense, not the British kind), or if you have a scanner, create your own realistic blood by scanning it in Photoshop, defining a brush, and then passing out on the floor.

bharper

RULES of the GAME

Ok, from here forward, this dsnlg will be a real game. Jeromious and I have chosen a real CLUE murder set, and its up to you all to guess who,where, and with what!

Characters Mr. Boddy Ms. Scarlet Col. Mustard Mrs. White Mr. Green Mrs. Peacock Prof. Plum M. Brunette Mme. Rose Ms. Peach Sgt. Gray

Weapons - Dagger Candlestick Revolver Rope Rooms Lead Pipe

Rooms - study conservatory dining room ballroom lounge kitchen ** good luck sleuths!**

bearskinrug

Fun!

Wait - what clue set is that? Mme. Rose? And what’s a Spanner?

Oh man. I’m already gonna lose…

bharper

this is a combination set. it includes the OG american version, and a bit of the british version, ClueDo.

But, that doesnt matter.. i mean, what’s in a name?

So, basicly, the rules are american, the names and rooms, are, well, as posted.

EDIT::: Ok, i removed the “Spanner” because, frankly, i didnt know what it was either. And so, if I dont know it certainly wasnt the murder weapon, and so, we have narrowed it by one. I also edited the categories for clarity.

randy

To clarify; it seems that the board, playing card, and check list are distorting pretty badly. Especially when compared to the hand and magnify glass image. It looks like you may have skewed an image without sizing it way down which developed some unwanted pixel distortion (pixelation). Either that or I’m simply insane, the latter might inevitably be true…

bharper

ok. well, the board and the checklist are the original photo. theres no skewing going on there. the card, however has some pixelation. i thought you were talking about the blood.

i was intentionaly playing with different planes. like, creating an almost 3d environment. but the pixelation around the card sux.

jeromius

Mr Boddy - well, you can all rule him out since he’s the one who has been murdered (check the official Clue rules for more info).

Poor, poor Mr. Boddy, we hardly knew ye.

PlatENumbCracker

a spanner is a wrench, a tapper is a hammer

dont you watch 80s british movies at 5 in the morning. i wont hold it against you

If you can believe it or not, I am not allowed to play board games, even if they come with a video. Not since our family ski trip. Can you guess what game we where playing? Not Clue

I like the idea of this designologue. I need to watch a little while and check out a few more topics. but am interested to see where this goes.

I am attempting to make a valid contiribution.

ps i am not drunk

jeromius

What kinds of board games come with videos?

I’ve never heard of such a thing …

notec

jeromius, now-a-days, what board games don’t come with some sort of digital visual companion? sigh

jeromius

I must be way out of the loop, because I have never heard of a board game coming with some sort of video companion.

I mean, really, what’s the point? I thought the whole idea of a board game was to use your imagination and challenge your mind.

Whenever I have kids, there is no way I’m letting them have stupid crap like that. It’s gonna be Candy Land and Chutes & Ladders all the way.

Videos … what’s next? Some sort of interface device that allows them to play the games virtually?

bharper

yeah, they call that interface a “computer.”

notec

lol.

bharper: A WHAT?!

jeromius

What is this world coming to?

Perhaps these people need to get a CLUE.

groan

inman

Mmmmh, Gamegirl Advance. May not be safe for work…

RevDrLuv

Definately not safe for work… I am lucky I have my own office.

Really funny though!

bharper

oh man… what can i say. what a gal!

jeromius

Sorry I haven’t uploaded anything yet. I got completely sidetracked last week and went to a bachelor party Friday night, a wedding on Saturday and spent yesterday recovering. I promise I’ll get a response up soon. PROMISE!

By the way - it was an excellent party on friday. It actually gave me an idea for a dsnlg … but I think the theme might be a bit risquè.

bharper

yes, well poor Mr. Boddy’s corpse is getting cold and the coroner is complaining of an “odor.” The statute of limitations is 3 years in this state, so you better get over here quick. I think we owe it to the deceaseds family and the general public to bring the killer to justice as quick and efficiently as possible. So, grab a cup of Joe and a hot shower, put on your badge and get down here, on the double.

jeromius

holy crap! I just found out I’m going to be a father!

bharper

are u seriuos dude? congratulations.. thats crazy!

jeromius

yeah - found out yesterday. Man, it’s completely insane.

I guess I should use all this positive energy to DESIGN SOMETHING.

Like, maybe the next image …

jeromius

So, now we know that Col. Mustard was long gone and can now be eliminated as a suspect. His alibi checks out, but he also provided us with some insight as to who might have committed the murder.

What possibly could have happened that evening?

The game continues.

16 years ago, May 11, 2003
Aarseth

Conceptually very strong.. I love the direction that this is going in… You’re really adding a whole new dimension to the game, and giving these characters some interaction, and thereby life.

On the down side though, the type isn’t really doing anything for me (either side). And Fashion Victim’s going to nail you for misspelling “British.” I’ll bet you could liven up that photo a bit by adjusting the Levels in Photoshop. Maybe something to draw a little more attention to the knife (or not, depending on your intentions).

anethon

I like the concept too. very much. I think the photo works as is. The only thing that bothers me visually is the layout of the left side. Seems a little cramped.

fashionvictim

;D

I’m not even going to say anything about the spelling error, we all know it’s there now.

My biggest problem with thisPhesion. Two very different styles smashed right up against each other. I guess I can kind of see why you did it, but still…hmm…I really would have liked to see more dynamic line quality on the left side and a more interesting layout. I agree with Aarseth, the type is nothing special and doesn’t really seem to evoke the typeface from the game.

The type on the right, I’m just not crazy about, I wish I had a suggestion on a better font, but I don’t right now. Other than that, I would like to see a darker more menacing looking blood. The stains on the cabinet kind of look like grape juice, not very scary.

Your concept is really strong though, this is conceptually a really interesting conversation. I just want to see design that kicks ass too!

bharper

i dont know if we said this outloud before, but jeromius and i have decided there will be 2 clues per image. so, thats why his image is split in half. i like the blood and the knife just fine.. more importantly, you all better get your guessing hats ON.

jeromius

thanks for the feedback - I know the type sucks. Type is, well, one of my weak points. I think I need to focus more attention on type in future images, and perhaps beef up my font library with some new fonts.

Also - the knife is in the dark for a reason. It’s Clue, right? It’s not supposed to be out there for everyone to see.

And who said that was blood? It could very easily have been wine, juice, paint, anything. This is a murder mystery. You have to figure that part out for yourself. I think the image works.

fashionvictim

okay, you got me on that one. i appreciate the image more now. thanks for clarifying, sorry if i sounded harsh, i didn’t mean to.

jeromius

Oh also - sorry about the spelling. Another mistake on my part. I wish there was a way to undo it, since I usually don’t notice it until after I’ve uploaded it.

bharper

poor Miss Scarlett.

Who’s Next?

16 years ago, May 13, 2003
bharper

I need to learn to draw. I want to be able to sit down and draw this women from an image in my mind. I tried, a few times to draw her, but I couldn’t to my satisfaction. I tried it with vectors and also with pixels. In the end, i used a photo.

I like this image. It’s “designy” but it wasn’t very difficult to do. I have a real respect for images that have more hand made work. This whole dirty / designy style looks real apealing, but im not sure how much substance it has. What do you think?

I think this is my most realistic blood to date. I found myself using spellcheck, and paying more attention to my gramar, thanks to our spelling and gramar gurus. I am aware, however, that there are errors in my text.

On reflection, i wish i had added a born on date. I also wish the blood would not negate the depth by overlapping the two sides.

Lincoln

okay, I don’t know where or with what, but I know its that Professor Plum. I knew it from the beginning. He just smells stinky

Lincoln

I like the way this is starting to go. I think the design of this one’s turned up a bit. I like the look of the photos and the sparse use of color. The scribly linework in the corner’s good too. ‘s a shame to lose scarlett. she’s a looker.

anethon

I like that one a lot. The low contrast and tone work really well. I can see why you scratched the edge of the letter, a sharp division in the exact center like that makes a difficult composition. Maybe because I’m thinking that.. it doesn’t look as spontaneous as the rest of it. I’m not sure it completely broke the effect, might take something more, but I would hate to mess with it.

jeromius

LOL - spell check. Man, that’s funny. I think the text works really well.

By the way - you’ve got mail.

bearskinrug

I like your approach here, bharper. The blood is much better, and I don’t think the image of Ms. Scarlet needed to be drawn at all - the photo looks good. You’ve given the text on the left a good amount of breathing room, too.

There are a few details that might help push this image further. The edge of the paper on the left is dividing the image in half - perhaps if it the paper was skewed and we saw a corner it would unite the two separate sides.

The text feels as though it was typed out OVER an image, instead of being part of the image. As suggested above, if the obituary side was skewed, and the text skewed with it, the two would be more convincingly one.

As for the fonts, I think you were heading in the right direction, but there might be typefaces better suited to represent newspaper text. Times New Roman - despite it’s bad connotations - works perfectly for this. You can also try Clarendon Condensed for headlines. Franklin Gothic is a good choice if you need a san-serif.

All in all - you did a good job, these are just a few suggestions for improvement…

bharper

thanks bearskin…

i definately thought about skewing the image. but, as i noted above, they are supposed to be 2 seperate panels as was the case in the previous image. we are doing 2 clues per image. and the text is actualy Times New Roman. So… what else you got for me?

bearskinrug

Even the body text is Times New Roman?

bharper

oops. i must have scrolled by accident. it was supposed to be times new roman. on second check it apears to be GeoSlab703 Lt BT . Whatever that is.. my mistake.

jeromius

Professor Plum is no more!

Seems that Ms. Scarlett and the Prof. were romantically involved. He was found earlier today sprawled across the floor of the main bath.

Was the professor’s death a suicide as believed by investigators? Or does the story go deeper than we thought?

The plot thickens.

16 years ago, May 14, 2003
fashionvictim

my main critique of this image is the piece of paper. since it appears there is a wrinkly texture like it has been crumpled it would make sense for the text to appear like it is moving over the bumps and creases. Also, the edges of the paper would be lifted off the background and skewed a bit.

Other than that, the piece has interesting perspective. I like how the clipboard overlaps the letter and the manner in which the guy on the right is facing away from us. It’s a nice touch. Adds a bit more mystery.

jeromius

yeah, I thought about that when I was working on it, but I just didn’t feel like spending that much time skewing the type and whatnot. You could also go one step further and comment on how the edges of the paper are perfectly square and not crinkled.

Yeah - it could have been better, but it’s better than the other crap I’ve been producing lately, so I’m happy with it.

bharper

im realy intrigued by the shadows on that man with the clipbards coat.

where does our mystery lead us next….

Aarseth

I like that you introduced an investigator into the cast of characters here. What typewriter types that close to the edge of the page??

bharper

New evidence emerges…

16 years ago, May 14, 2003
inman

“Shit yeah, it’s cool.” Nice score on both of those found objects Ben! Excellent job integrating the text into the ID. Hmmm, but what of the R and P… Rose and Peacock, but why? (Insert suspenseful flourish, zoom in on pensive inspector, now fade.)

jeromius

you know those investigators and their typewriters - the paper was misaligned in the typewriter. See, the investigator recently had to fire his secretary since she was fooling around with one of his clients.

So, he’s never really had to type before and he was having some problems with the alignment.

Lincoln

This one’s sweet B. nice blend of colors and textures. (like my memories of last night) ugh

jeromius

Man, Mme. Rose looks like she would work at the department of Tax & Finance.

Hmmm … one can only help but wonder what happens next.

bharper

yeah. i wasnt sure how i felt about that. its a bit of a stretch, maybe. but everyone needs a job.

jeromius

yeah, Professor Plum worked in an animal research laboratory performing all sorts of weird experiments on monkeys and stuff.

Ahhh … those were the good old days, before PETA.

bearskinrug

That’s a nice post, bharper - that card has been through some shit!

anethon

very nice, my favorite by far.

bharper

has Jermious been the latest victim? Or is he alive and simply unable to get to his computer….

jeromius

hey man - yeah, I’ve been out of comission the past couple of weeks, sorry. I just moved and my computer got unpacked last night - unfortunately, no ‘net access at home yet, should be hooked up this week. And DSNLG’ing @ work is frowned upon.

Hopefully I get something up this week - it’s pretty hectic right now.

bharper

thats cool, no worries. if we can time it right, i can move to my new house while its still your turn, and not have to go long without my computer. man, ive already got my new place wired… i really couldnt go long without my machine..

dependance much?

look forward to seeing your response.

jeromius

cool man - congrats on the new place. I wired my whole house too … spent most of the weekend trying to get the connection working, but now it’s up and running - total home automation - I even installed a webcam by the front door so I can see who’s here when I’m in my office upstairs. It really rocks. I know, I’m a geek - but I love this stuff.

I started working on a response tonight, should be up in the next couple days.

2one2

this latest image truly is a mystery to me. TWO THINGS> firstly… who killed who with the peacock? and thirdly… how does this directly affect my taxes and finances?

real.bad.web.design.

bharper

the idea here, 2one2 is that, these are two pieces of evidence, in the ever growing collection of misleading clues to who killed mr. body.

In a sad bit of chance, i recntly found out that the women depicted on the left here, in this image, was a top notch hero of september 11th, who apearently had the where-with-all to get people the hell off of her floor before the second plane hit. apearantly, somehow she understould the gravity of the situation long before her fellow floor mates did, and told everyone to get the hell out. She was accredited with saving numerous lives, and it’s a pretty touching story.

the Real Rose Riso

jeromius

shit man, I’m sorry I haven’t been on to finish this up.

I’m back to dsnlg’ing - now if I could just remember what the hell I was going to do next.

bharper

you know, murder, corruption, greed… clues and all that good stuff… let’s rap this case up!

jeromius

Round up the usual suspects.

16 years ago, June 28, 2003
bharper

Mr. Body’s killer is still at large. We need your help to put this case to rest.

16 years ago, July 2, 2003
anethon

I like the image quality, and the concept. Only unsure about the composisiton.. for some reason the top images touching the top edge bothers me a little..

bharper

yeah, its weird. purposefuly so.

jeromius

Man, this last image has got to be good … I’m royally screwed.

inman

So wait a minute, are we supposed to guess who did it before this last image or after it? I thought this was supposed to be sort of a game…

jeromius

Hmmm … well, it’s gonna be a couple days before I upload the pic - so who do you think it was?

I know who did it, and where they did it and with whom they did it, I mean - with WHAT they did it.

Remember that chick in that one James Bond movie that killed people by strangling them with her legs? That’s a cool way to die.

2one2

ya, i guess that’s one way to go out on top… and with a bang!

Medical Realities of Breath Control Play

bharper

fascinating articles 2one2.

i have a close friend who’s father died from “BCP.” And as the article described, the family was quick to cover it up.

Aarseth

A “close friend,” eh? Exactly how close was this friend..?

Those are some really gruesome pictures.. And bharper tells me that those are actually crime scene photos! I’m eagerly awaiting the conclusion of this ‘Logue.

bharper

she was a pretty “close” friend..

but when your dad dies doing something, you dont tend to repeat it…

and yes. those are real dead people.

jeromius

Surprise twist!

16 years ago, July 23, 2003
bharper

perfect. I knew it was that murderous bitch all along!

jeromius

I found this image and knew I just had to go with it - it was just too perfect.

Mrs. Peacock loves her gat. Rat-a-tat-tat.

Aarseth

That picture is perfect! But I’d like to know who killed all those other people..

jeromius

Mrs. Peacock did.

She found out that Mr. Boddy was having an affair with Ms. Scarlett - so she offed him in a fit of rage and then went into the kitchen and stabbed Ms. Scarlett. She was kind of shook up, so she went upstairs and cleaned up - little did she realize that the Professor, who was also seeing Ms. Scarlett, saw her leave the kitchen and run upstairs.

Anyway, the next day - Mrs. Peacock was confronted by the Professor about the murder of Ms. Scarlett. She ran into the bathroom where she was cornered.

Now, the upstairs bathroom was being remodeled - Mr. Boddy was going to add a whirlpool tub. Mrs. Peacock grabbed a loose lead pipe and whacked the Prof over the back of the head. He dropped to the ground. She then found a rope and strung him up, attempting to fake a suicide. She wrote a note, left it to the side where someone could find it - and she almost got off.

Now, keep in mind it is 1964 - they didn’t exactly pick up on the fact that the Prof had been whacked over the back of the head. He had been hanging so long, his head was, well, a little nasty looking. So they never gave it a second thought.

Everything had gone off without a hitch - that is until she dropped her hankerchief in the hallway. There were only a handful of clues that the police had uncovered. They called in a couple groups of suspects, but they had ruled out everyone who they questioned. The only two who weren’t cleared were Wadsworth the butler and Mrs. Peacock.

But when Wadsworth wound up slumped over in the closet from apparent auto-erotic asphyxiation - that left one suspect.

When they confronted Mrs. Peacock, she was in the process of packing. A ticket to Brazil was near her bedside. When confronted about the murder, she put up a struggle and tried to get away. She pulled out her gun and held the arresting officers at distance.

She had completely lost it. There was a standoff, and eventually she started shooting. The officers called in for backup and eventually surrounded her. After hitting one of the officers, they decided to use lethal force. They opened fire. About 10 minutes later, the smoke cleared and a sobbing Mrs. Peacock emmerged from the house, hands in the air and confessed to murdering Mr. Boddy, Ms. Scarlett and the Professor.

She is now serving a life sentence.

bharper

hahahahaa.. good stuff jeromius.